{"id":6017,"date":"2019-03-28T18:01:26","date_gmt":"2019-03-28T18:01:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.star-k.org\/articles\/?p=6017"},"modified":"2024-09-06T14:55:54","modified_gmt":"2024-09-06T14:55:54","slug":"when-you-can-drink-and-drive-the-halachic-implications-of-drinking-coffee-on-the-road","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.star-k.org\/articles\/kashrus-kurrents\/6017\/when-you-can-drink-and-drive-the-halachic-implications-of-drinking-coffee-on-the-road\/","title":{"rendered":"When You Can Drink and Drive: The Halachic Implications of Drinking Coffee on the Road"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Spring 2019<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>Happy Fact:<\/strong> Unflavored roasted coffee beans, whole and ground, are considered kosher without a <em>hechsher<\/em> (kosher certification). Bearing this in mind, buying a cup of unflavored regular, decaf, or High-Octane coffee (my usual choice) should not present any <em>kashrus<\/em> issues, right?<\/p>\n<p>Not so fast fellow caffeine heads; life is never so simple.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Problem<\/strong>: Some coffee vendors sell kosher and <em>treif<\/em> (non-kosher) items, like the Bacon &amp; Gouda Breakfast Sandwich and the Pepperoni &amp; Tomato Savory Foldover.<sup>1<\/sup> The <em>keilim<\/em> (utensils) used for coffee and <em>treif<\/em> can at times be washed together, causing <em>blios,<\/em> absorbed tastes, from the <em>treif kli<\/em> to enter the coffee equipment. In Starbucks, for example, it\u2019s been established that the brew basket that holds the coffee grounds while the coffee is being made is sometimes washed with <em>keilim<\/em> that may have come into contact with <em>treif.<\/em> If we have a \u201cperfect storm\u201d situation in which the wash water is <em>yad soledes,<\/em><sup>2<\/sup> and no soap enters the water before the <em>treif<\/em> equipment is placed in the water, then the brew basket is considered <em>treif<\/em> and the coffee made afterwards is <em>treif.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>We do not know the cleaning procedures used by all coffee vendors, but most of them sell <em>treif<\/em> items along with coffee and the possibility exists that similar <em>keilim<\/em> issues may be present.<\/p>\n<p>Based on these facts and assumptions, the <em>psak (halachic<\/em> decision) should be that one is permitted to buy hot coffee only from vendors that he knows do not sell <em>treif,<\/em> or whose cleaning procedures do not impact the <em>kashrus<\/em> of the coffee. This is, indeed, STAR-K\u2019s opinion on purchasing coffee from stores that sell <em>treif<\/em> items.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Exception<\/strong>: True or False?<\/p>\n<p>If one is traveling on the road \u2013 by car, plane, bus, or horse \u2013 he can stop at a rest stop, gas station or even a Starbucks and purchase a hot cup of Joe.<\/p>\n<p>Give yourself a star if you answered True.<\/p>\n<p>Upon what is this exception based?<\/p>\n<p>We need some background to answer this question. Our concern centers on the <em>keilim<\/em> used to make coffee and\/or the utensils from which one may drink that may have blios from treif.<\/p>\n<p>The <em>halacha<\/em> is that tastes that are <em>pagum,<\/em> or off-tasting, do not have an ability to impart a <em>treif<\/em> status to kosher foods or utensils.<sup>3<\/sup> The <em>halacha<\/em> also states that tastes absorbed in a utensil that is not a <em>Ben Yomo,<\/em> i.e., has not been used within 24 hours, are considered <em>pagum.<\/em><sup>4<\/sup><\/p>\n<p>Furthermore, <em>Shulchan Aruch paskens<\/em> in <em>Yoreh Deah<\/em> (Y.D.) 122:6, that if one is unsure if the eating utensils or cooking equipment owned by non-Jews was used for non-kosher within 24 hours, one may assume that they were not. This concept is known as Stam <em>Keilim Eiynon Bnei Yoman,<\/em> or just <em>Stam Keilim<\/em> (\u05e1\u05ea\u05dd \u05db\u05dc\u05d9\u05dd) in <em>halachic<\/em> shorthand. With this in mind, the <em>Mechaber paskens<\/em> that if someone mistakenly used the pot of a non-Jew to heat up something, the food is permitted since it is assumed that the pot was not used within the past 24 hours. This is a great din to keep handy when faced with a <em>b\u2019dieved<\/em><sup>5<\/sup> situation, like the one in the <em>Shulchan Aruch.<\/em><sup>6<\/sup><\/p>\n<p>The question we need to answer is if buying coffee in a non-kosher establishment while traveling has the status of a <em>b\u2019dieved<\/em> situation. This would allow us to apply the principle of <em>Stam Keilim<\/em> to the coffeemaking equipment and grant us a guilt- free cup of Starbucks (how to avoid guilt while paying $5 for a cup of coffee is beyond the scope of this article).<\/p>\n<p>Rabbi Moshe Heinemann, <em>shlit\u201da,<\/em> answered this question by marshalling a <em>Yad Ephraim<\/em><sup>7<\/sup> that appears on the page in the <em>Shulchan Aruch<\/em> that we previously mentioned in Y.D. 122: 6. The Yad Ephraim references a responsa from the <em>Nodah B\u2019Yehuda<\/em><sup>8<\/sup> (Nb\u201dY) which discusses the propriety of Jews drinking coffee in the Gentile-owned coffeehouses of 18th century Prague. As they say, the more things change the more they stay the same! It is almost 300 years later, and Jews still want their coffee \u05db\u05db\u05dc \u05d4\u05e2\u05de\u05d9\u05dd<\/p>\n<p>The issue addressed by the <em>Nodah B\u2019Yehuda<\/em> revolved around drinking coffee from the coffeehouse\u2019s mugs. It was assumed that the mugs had non-kosher milk in them when the Gentile patrons drank their coffee. In those days, there was no <em>heter<\/em> (permission) to drink <em>non-cholov Yisroel<\/em> milk or <em>cholov stam<\/em> and it was considered \u05e8\u05d5\u05e1\u05d0, not kosher. Since paper cups had not yet made their way onto the scene, the only way to drink the coffee was to use the mugs that had absorbed the taste of non-kosher milk. What was a Jew to do?<\/p>\n<p>The Jews who drank from the mugs back then had two possible reasons why it should be allowed:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>The mug was a Kli <em>Sheni<\/em><sup>9<\/sup> and, therefore, not hot enough to cause a transfer of <em>treif<\/em> milk taste into the coffee.<\/li>\n<li><em>Stam Keilim.<\/em> The <em>halacha<\/em> we referenced earlier allows us to assume that utensils have not been used within 24 hours, and any <em>blios<\/em> are <em>pagum.<\/em><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>The <em>Nb\u201dY<\/em> dismisses the <em>Kli Sheni heter<\/em> by referencing the <em>Taz<\/em> and <em>Rashal,<\/em> who <em>pasken<\/em> that this only helps in a <em>b\u2019dieved<\/em> situation. The <em>Shach<\/em> writes that we need to be strict in applying the <em>heter<\/em> of Kli <em>Sheni<\/em> regarding earthenware utensils, such as the mugs that were used. The <em>heter<\/em> of <em>Stam Keilim<\/em> also doesn\u2019t work here since he says that these mugs are certainly used daily. Therefore, the <em>Nodah B\u2019Yehuda paskens<\/em> that these mugs should not be used <em>l\u2019chatchila,<\/em> and that whoever has it within their power to protest the practice of Jews drinking in Gentile coffeehouses should do so.<sup>10<\/sup><\/p>\n<p>Let\u2019s return to the future now. We don\u2019t need to use the non-kosher mugs in our Gentile-owned coffeehouses. We have disposable everything these days, including cups, <em>Baruch Hashem.<\/em> Yay! Order up that Starbucks Venti (20 oz size for the uninitiated)!<\/p>\n<p>Not so fast.<\/p>\n<p>If you recall, our 21st century issue is not mugs \u2013 it\u2019s the washing procedures that may mix treif dishes with the coffeemaking equipment. Disposable cups won\u2019t save us from that. \u201cBut wait,\u201d you say. \u201cWhat about <em>Stam Keilim?\u201d<\/em> Whew, crisis averted!<\/p>\n<p>Sorry for the rollercoaster of emotions I\u2019m putting you through, but the <em>heter<\/em> of <em>Stam Keilim<\/em> applies to <em>b\u2019dieved<\/em> situations only, as previously mentioned.<br \/>Is all hope lost?!<\/p>\n<p>No! Rabbi Heinemann, <em>shlita,<\/em> has ridden to our rescue using ten words in the <em>Nodah B\u2019Yehuda<\/em> that we quote here, &#8220;\u05d5\u05dc\u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05dc\u05de\u05e2\u05e9\u05d4 \u05d1\u05d3\u05e8\u05da \u05d1\u05d0\u05d5\u05e9\u05e4\u05d9\u05d6\u05d0 \u05e9\u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05e9\u05dd \u05db\u05dc\u05d9\u05dd \u05d0\u05d7\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd \u05de\u05d9\u05d7\u05e9\u05d1 \u05d3\u05d9\u05e2\u05d1\u05d3 \u05d5\u05db\u05d5.&#8221; Practically speaking, when someone is traveling and is in a place where no kosher utensils are available, he is considered to be in a <em>b\u2019ideved<\/em> situation\u201d and he may use the gentile owned mugs. The <em>Nodah B\u2019Yehuda<\/em> allows the use of the mugs based on the <em>heter<\/em> of <em>Kli Sheni<\/em> because traveling is a <em>b\u2019dieved<\/em> situation. Rabbi Heinemann applies the same <em>lomdus<\/em> (thinking) to our modern coffeehouse issue. He says when someone is on the road traveling, he is considered to be in a <em>b\u2019dieved<\/em> situation. Based on our investigations, we also know that the <em>treif<\/em> dishes are not always washed with the coffee equipment.<sup>11<\/sup> Therefore, we can use the <em>heter<\/em> of <em>Stam Keilim<\/em> since we are in a <em>b\u2019dieved<\/em> situation. One Venti House Blend coming up!<\/p>\n<p>While you are savoring your caffeine-fix, let me remind you of a few caveats. Once you get home, it\u2019s back to Moishe\u2019s Coffee Caf\u00e9 for you. You are no longer considered to be in a <em>b\u2019dieved<\/em> situation; you\u2019re back in <em>L\u2019chatchila<\/em><sup>12<\/sup> Land, and non-kosher coffee places should be avoided unless you know clearly that no <em>treif<\/em> utensils are washed with the coffee equipment.<\/p>\n<p>Bear in mind that even while traveling, you can only order regular or decaf coffee and a Latte made with <em>stam cholov<\/em> (if you don\u2019t keep <em>Cholov Yisroel).<\/em> Frappuccinos and other similar flavored coffee creations contain additional ingredients that need to be reviewed before they can be recommended.<\/p>\n<p>Happy Trails!<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<ol>\n<li>I didn\u2019t make these up, they are actual choices on the Starbucks menu.<\/li>\n<li>Literally, the temperature at which someone will quickly remove his hand to avoid being burned. The food must be at least this hot before its taste is considered to have been transferred into a utensil. Rabbi Heinemann holds yad soledes is 120oF.<\/li>\n<li>\u05e9&#8221;\u05e2 \u05e1\u05d9&#8217; \u05e7&#8217;\u05d2<\/li>\n<li>Ibid<\/li>\n<li>A scenario in which the halacha allows a lenient approach to be applied.<\/li>\n<li>\u05e1\u05ea\u05dd \u05db\u05dc\u05d9\u05dd \u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05df \u05d1\u05e0\u05d9 \u05d9\u05d5\u05de\u05df is based on \u05e1\u05e4\u05e7 \u05e1\u05e4\u05d9\u05e7\u05d4, maybe this pot was not used within 24 hours, rendering any absorbed taste pagum (off tasting). Even if it was used within 24 hours, maybe the absorbed non-kosher taste is pagum in this particular food that was cooked, \u05d4\u05d5\u05d1\u05d0 \u05d1\u05d8\u05d5\u05e8 \u05e1\u05d9&#8217; \u05e7\u05db&#8221;\u05d1 \u05d1\u05e9\u05dd \u05d4\u05e8\u05d0&#8221;\u05e9.<\/li>\n<li>Rabbi Ephraim Zalman Margolis ZT\u201dL d: 5588-(1828)<\/li>\n<li>\u05e0\u05d5\u05d3\u05e2 \u05d1\u05d9\u05d4\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4 \u05d9\u05d5&#8221;\u05d3 \u05e9\u05d0\u05dc\u05d4 \u05dc&#8221;\u05d5<\/li>\n<li>The mug or bowl into which food from a pot on the fire is poured into is called a Kli Sheni, a second level utensil. This means that the walls of the utensil are considered to have cooled the temperature of the food to an extent where it is not hot enough to transfer its taste into the utensil walls.<\/li>\n<li>The actual words of the Nb\u201dY are illustrative of how serious he felt this issue was; \u05d5\u05de\u05d4 \u05e9\u05d4\u05e9\u05d9\u05d1 \u05dc\u05d5 \u05d4\u05de\u05e9\u05d9\u05d1 \u05e9\u05d1\u05e4\u05e8\u05d0\u05d2 \u05e9\u05d5\u05ea\u05d9\u05df \u05d1\u05e0\u05d9 \u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d1\u05d1\u05ea\u05d9\u05dd \u05e9\u05dc \u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d9\u05d4\u05d5\u05d3\u05d9, \u05d9\u05d3\u05e2 \u05e8\u05d5\u05dd \u05de\u05e2\u05dc\u05ea\u05d5, \u05d0\u05dd \u05d4\u05dd \u05d1\u05e0\u05d9 \u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05dd \u05d1\u05e0\u05d9 \u05d9\u05e8\u05d0\u05d4 \u05d5\u05d4\u05de\u05d4 \u05e7\u05dc\u05d9 \u05d3\u05e2\u05ea&#8230;<\/li>\n<li>The fact that the treif dishes are not washed with the coffee equipment every day allows us to avoid the issue the Shach mentioned earlier, that the mugs could not be allowed based on \u05dd\u05d9\u05dc\u05db \u05dd\u05ea\u05e1 since they are used daily with non-kosher milk.<\/li>\n<li>A scenario in which the strict halacha must be applied.<\/li>\n<\/ol>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Spring 2019<\/p>\n<p><strong>Happy Fact:<\/strong> Unflavored roasted coffee beans, whole and ground, are considered kosher without a hechsher (kosher certification). Bearing this in mind, buying a cup of unflavored regular, decaf, or High-Octane coffee (my usual choice) should not present any kashrus issues, right?<\/p>\n<p>Not so fast fellow caffeine heads; life is never so simple.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Problem<\/strong>: Some coffee vendors sell kosher and treif (non-kosher) items, like the Bacon &amp; Gouda Breakfast Sandwich and the Pepperoni &amp; Tomato Savory Foldover.1 The keilim (utensils) used for coffee and treif can at times be washed together, causing blios, absorbed tastes, from the treif kli to enter the coffee equipment. In Starbucks, for example, it\u2019s been established that the brew basket that holds the coffee grounds while the coffee is being made is sometimes washed with keilim that may have come into contact with treif. 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